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The Gap of Communication Between Stalkers and Dreamers

December 3, 2021 by Rogier 15 Comments


Rogier:
After reading the post about Dreamers and Stalkers on the Diary, I have a few follow-up questions.✶

Firstly, the gap of communication between Stalkers and Dreamers seems to be widening during these tumultuous times. Why is that?

The Seer:
When faced with uncertainty these two groups gravitate deeper into their respective perspectives, i.e. Stalkers become more dictatorial and Dreamers become more expanded and resentful of being hemmed in by deadlines and responsibility (one of the reasons large demographic groups have left their jobs).

Rogier:
Why do Stalkers become more controlling?

The Seer:
Stalkers have traditionally been confused by the ways that dreamers express. As dreamers become more "chaotic" in their thinking in the face of external confusion, stalkers try and reign them in even more than usual. One of the notable scenarios where this occurs has to do with time. Stalkers are far more dictated to by time than dreamers. In addition, stalkers do things much faster than dreamers (and this demands a lot of patient understanding from both sides), but, in general, dreamers produce a far richer and more creative end result.

Seer's Note:
We're in the developmental stage of evolution where we transition from diversity (independence) to supported diversity (interdependence). Because the Original Ones through proxy govern the quality of life on Earth, it is your sacred duty to restore peace to humanity by learning to get along and support a group. (It could be a family group or a small group of likeminded and one-hearted lightfamily.)


✶Read: Dreamers and Stalkers

Related:

  • The Nameless Ones
  • Every Shelter Has a Price to Pay
  • The Utmost Consideration
  • What Matters
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Categories: Original Ones, Nagual, Relationships, Toltec

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  1. Dhani says

    December 4, 2021 at 9:37 am

    Yep….that's what I'm finding at work especially….But, I have cut loose those paranoid staff members that try to control every aspect of their job. It's more work to work around them but I am receiving support from ALL other staff.
    At home it's a bit slower but eventually we will get there…..Meanwhile it is a lot of work to work around other people at home as well.
    Thank you for this timely advice. It's very helpful.

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  2. Anna says

    December 3, 2021 at 12:54 pm

    I can say that I am both of these for sure. I have always described myself as a dreamer, that my true nature is that, I could dream my life away, but I can also play the relentless stalker. I have seen this play out in my closest relationships where it flips back and forth I play either of the two perspective and they play the other. It does cause inner and outer conflict when one isn't aware of calling it by these two. names of opposites…but since reading the past posts it became crystal clear to me. That is quite empowering to know…it has de-fused the conflict by calling them out, and now I can use these perspectives for better outcomes rather than misunderstanding or frustration. Much more empowering to create peace within and then without. With deep gratitude. 💙💫🌟✨🌼

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    • Ciara says

      December 3, 2021 at 2:50 pm

      Thank you so much for highlighting this dear Anna. I must say these posts have only just made it clear that it's both for me too. I've often wondered with some puzzlement about the flip flop between either/or in relationships, because as you say I can play decidedly both in very distinct ways in different situation and sometimes either dreamer/stalker qualities agitate or confuse me in others depending on which one I'm in at any given time (such as when my partner pushes me to "explain" things, or conversely when he annoys me by being, in my view, too disorganised in thought). It's honestly never occured to me to combine both consciously! This whole dialogue has definitely sparked a whole new level of integration of opposites within.

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  3. Ciara Young says

    December 3, 2021 at 12:07 pm

    This new post makes me wonder if OO's combine (or can) combine both qualities. I've always considered myself a stalker because on the information originally printed in the Journey to the Heart of God, which primarily manifests in my communication style (often interpreted as "aggressive" by others) and my level of organisation and speed in contrast to what I'd felt to be dreamers, but this new post suggests that the vast majority of OO's (if not all) are in fact dreamers. I wonder if it's the destiny of some to be both, so that we can balance them by proxy in that way too?

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    • Ciara Young says

      December 3, 2021 at 12:17 pm

      Also makes me thing of 3 and 3 pronged Naguals, and possibility the 3 pronged Naguals have both, whereas the 3 pronged have the gift of a specific emphasis. Though most of us have many more prongs at this stage, and I don't know if even this dynamic has changed in that all now must combine both/all qualities.

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      • Ciara Young says

        December 3, 2021 at 12:18 pm

        Dear god, sorry for the all typos. Hopefully somebody can make sense of some of that.

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        • Alexandra Murray says

          December 3, 2021 at 12:29 pm

          🙂

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        • Anna says

          December 3, 2021 at 1:18 pm

          😁It made perfect sense to me Ciara!😁😊🌼🌟💫✨🌸

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          • Ciara says

            December 3, 2021 at 2:51 pm

            Love you dear Anna! Thank you!

  4. marli says

    December 3, 2021 at 11:38 am

    Thank you, Thank you, and Thank you!

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  5. Joanne Harding says

    December 3, 2021 at 11:29 am

    Interesting. V'd versus unv'd being an example. Finding unity within diversity xx Thank you Rogier and Almine. 🌺
    Joanne

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  6. Alexandra Murray says

    December 3, 2021 at 11:27 am

    So when I see here Almine talking about supported diversity and interdependence it also makes me think about when she said "The currency of the future will be your SKILLSET" Sorry if this is a bit jumbled in my understanding of this but it made me think that "industry"? is going to become localized and domesticated again.
    A lot of hands on and soul infused jobs will be made available and popping up everywhere through the coming years like woodworking, making parts for vehicles (land, water and air) glassmaking, food production (being able to grow food all year round even in the winter) clothes making, musicians and artists, Taking care of animals and areas of land and on and on.
    The wanting to come together and build communities, free of the top down type of control system. So yes I see the blessing as to why this global situation had to happen.

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    • Alexandra Murray says

      December 3, 2021 at 11:41 am

      So we are transitioning to one-mindedness and one heartedness.

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    • Ginette says

      December 3, 2021 at 8:12 pm

      I agree Alexandra and it's happening now because so many of us are soon to be out of the traditional working system because of the mandates. We need to learn new skills and be creative about it, to develop new grassroots support networks.

      It's interesting about the Dreamers and Stalkers. When in my own company I am a Dreamer and a Stalker, however when I am with my family we overpolarise – they are stalkers who definitely find it hard to 'hear' me as the dreamer. Almine's message is a reminder for me to stick with it…. Thank You Mother 🙏

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      • Jana says

        December 3, 2021 at 10:24 pm

        Your realization resonates with me a lot, dear Ginette. I am too more of a dreamer when I am by myself and a stalker with my family and in other areas of interacting with others. Only recently I have observed this about my self and finding it sometimes quite challenging to express as a stalker, especially when it comes to communication, or when I need to be somewhere on time. But I see the value in expressing both; one integrates what the other dreams about. I feel that the strong suit of the stalker is lightheartedness and the honesty with the self and others is the strong suit of the dreamer.

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